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	<title>Comments on: Cultural purging, to music: meanderings on art without God</title>
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	<description>For Christ, For Truth, For Liberty</description>
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		<title>By: New class, new &#8220;culture&#8221; &#8212; Shining City</title>
		<link>http://shining-city.net/blog/?p=625&#038;cpage=1#comment-2057</link>
		<dc:creator>New class, new &#8220;culture&#8221; &#8212; Shining City</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2009 01:15:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] in nature, and readers who&#8217;ve been keeping up with my posts about cultural purging (beginning here, and a little bit here, too) over the last couple of weeks will probably find David [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] in nature, and readers who&#8217;ve been keeping up with my posts about cultural purging (beginning here, and a little bit here, too) over the last couple of weeks will probably find David [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Cultural Purging, continued (kind of) &#8212; Shining City</title>
		<link>http://shining-city.net/blog/?p=625&#038;cpage=1#comment-1925</link>
		<dc:creator>Cultural Purging, continued (kind of) &#8212; Shining City</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 23:51:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] it&#8217;s no little bit of surrender. Thus we have, as discussed a week ago, a cultural purging underway, one chiefly steered by artists with no grounding other than the goals of self and [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] it&#8217;s no little bit of surrender. Thus we have, as discussed a week ago, a cultural purging underway, one chiefly steered by artists with no grounding other than the goals of self and [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer O'Hara</title>
		<link>http://shining-city.net/blog/?p=625&#038;cpage=1#comment-1921</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennifer O'Hara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 20:56:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rebecca, thanks for your comment. Honestly, I&#039;d forgotten that story...good catch there. Seems to me we&#039;ve removed the mystery in a lot of things, actually.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rebecca, thanks for your comment. Honestly, I&#8217;d forgotten that story&#8230;good catch there. Seems to me we&#8217;ve removed the mystery in a lot of things, actually.</p>
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		<title>By: Rebecca</title>
		<link>http://shining-city.net/blog/?p=625&#038;cpage=1#comment-1820</link>
		<dc:creator>Rebecca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 15:11:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You wrote: &quot;In attempting to &#039;perfect&#039; music, &#039;they’ve&#039; killed it‚ when I’m not so sure music should ever have been &#039;perfect&#039; in the first place (proper musical execution aside).&quot;

This is quite true and also a fascinating insight, given that it ehoes something Nietzsche said in his very-often-wrongly-cited &quot;God is dead&quot; passage. That passage, from a mini-story called &quot;Der tolle Mensch,&quot; (The Madman) comes from the perspective of a crazy man who preciently warns the populace (i.e. &quot;philosophers&quot;) that in their constant search to concretize, define, and otherwise know God (who is by nature unknowable), to make the transcendent immanent as it were, they have &quot;killed&quot; him (that is, replaced religion with aesthetics and reason, God with beauty and logic, the sublime with the much more palatable beautiful or explicable), i.e. removed all the mystery. Despite Nietzsche being grade-a crazy, it is a beautifully crafted passage and it is quite fitting in a discussion of increasingly vapid popular music, where, as you explained, the palatable, easy-to-understand shallowness of appealing to base instints (whether they be insipid relationship ideals or sexual cheapening of ever younger people) has ever so more completely replaced the unique expression of yearning, misery or joy you find in Ella Fitzgerald, Bob Dylan, Johnny Cash, Nina Simone and others (who, yes, sometimes sang about sex and drugs and violence but in a much more provocative and less prurient way).

(Here is a link to the full text of &quot;Der tolle Mensch&quot; in both German and English:
German: http://www.textlog.de/21289.html
English: http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/nietzsche-madman.html)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You wrote: &#8220;In attempting to &#8216;perfect&#8217; music, &#8216;they’ve&#8217; killed it‚ when I’m not so sure music should ever have been &#8216;perfect&#8217; in the first place (proper musical execution aside).&#8221;</p>
<p>This is quite true and also a fascinating insight, given that it ehoes something Nietzsche said in his very-often-wrongly-cited &#8220;God is dead&#8221; passage. That passage, from a mini-story called &#8220;Der tolle Mensch,&#8221; (The Madman) comes from the perspective of a crazy man who preciently warns the populace (i.e. &#8220;philosophers&#8221;) that in their constant search to concretize, define, and otherwise know God (who is by nature unknowable), to make the transcendent immanent as it were, they have &#8220;killed&#8221; him (that is, replaced religion with aesthetics and reason, God with beauty and logic, the sublime with the much more palatable beautiful or explicable), i.e. removed all the mystery. Despite Nietzsche being grade-a crazy, it is a beautifully crafted passage and it is quite fitting in a discussion of increasingly vapid popular music, where, as you explained, the palatable, easy-to-understand shallowness of appealing to base instints (whether they be insipid relationship ideals or sexual cheapening of ever younger people) has ever so more completely replaced the unique expression of yearning, misery or joy you find in Ella Fitzgerald, Bob Dylan, Johnny Cash, Nina Simone and others (who, yes, sometimes sang about sex and drugs and violence but in a much more provocative and less prurient way).</p>
<p>(Here is a link to the full text of &#8220;Der tolle Mensch&#8221; in both German and English:<br />
German: <a href="http://www.textlog.de/21289.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.textlog.de/21289.html</a><br />
English: <a href="http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/nietzsche-madman.html)" rel="nofollow">http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/nietzsche-madman.html)</a></p>
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		<title>By: OD Today: 6 January 2009 (early edition) &#171; Online Discernment Today</title>
		<link>http://shining-city.net/blog/?p=625&#038;cpage=1#comment-1816</link>
		<dc:creator>OD Today: 6 January 2009 (early edition) &#171; Online Discernment Today</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 12:02:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] O&#8217;Hara addresses the same issues, more or less, via a meander through pop music and is er, cousin, Contemporary Christian Music (some rated-PG language). [...]</description>
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